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#16 ACEfanatic02

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Posted 31 October 2006 - 11:00 PM

QUOTE(metroid_dragon @ Oct 31 2006, 01:27 PM) View Post

Pretty much the way I look at is is that if they are dangerous enough to need be kept an eye on once released and denied these kind of staple human rights, then they probably shouldn't have been released yet. Once they are released, these types of restrictions are going to do absolutly nothing.

EXACTLY.

And Saliva:

If our culture accepted sex, there would be fewer instances of rape. End of story.

Basic neural biology. The central core of our brains is ancient, dating back to our reptilian ancestors. It has two functions: sex, and aggression. When sex is repressed, the aggression comes to the fore. This is logical from an evolutionary standpoint.

Now, I'm not saying that vicious sex offenders should be let out on the street to do what they will. But that won't be happening anyway. I'm saying that instead of wasting time treating the symptoms, the government ought to get off their asses, drop their religious convictions for once, and treat the PROBLEM here.

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Posted 01 November 2006 - 12:06 AM

This rule is good.
To be honest as a parent wouldn't you feel a bit odd, I'll give an example

PARENT: Hey son, made any friends?
SON: Yeah I know this totally awesome guy
PARENT: I bet he's swell
SON: He sure is, we are going trick or treating in the dark, shadowy, secluded areas together and we are knocking on my other friends door
PARENT: Well friend 1 and friend 2 sound great, what are their names
SON: Friend 1 is Mike, Friend 2 is Gary- they are so cool we are having a sleepover
PARENT: I sure would like to see these pals, invite them to dinner sometime, maybe I can take you all on a camping trip
SON: I'll show you my friends tomorrow

(Next Day)
SON: Here they are
PARENT: Alright!
(Michael Jackson and Gary Glitter enter)
MICHAEL: Hey man, I'm Mike
GLITTER: I'm Gary, but you can call me Gary the Kiddyfiddler
MICHAEL: And I'm Mike the "Don't trust your kids around me Paedophile"
PARENT: Thats very nice, but aren't you a bit old to hang with my son
MICHAEL: Thats just ignorant
PARENT: No it is ****ing not
BLIND MOTHER: John whats gotten into you
PARENT: His friends suck
BLIND MOTHER: (Slaps John) You are an awful father, you've never supported your son
SON: Yeah, he never kisses me like Mike and Gary do, ITS CALLED AFFECTION DAD
BLIND MOTHER: (Cries) I always knew John was a bastard I just denied it
PARENT: You don't understand they are...
BLIND MOTHER: I do understand, I'm taking the kids camping WITHOUT YOU

(They leave)
GARY: Wow guys looks like Uncle Gary gave you a lot of treats
MICHAEL: WOOO sugar I'm flying, I'm a zebra, a flying zebra
SON: Haha, where's Dad?
BLIND MOTHER: Your Dad is having time to re-think his life
SON: Well I'm tired
MICHAEL: So you are, but its me who will be needing their energy tonight, if you catch my drift
BLIND MOTHER: I don't quite understand
GARY: Last one to bed is a rotten egg
MICHAEL: Speaking of eggs its Halloween
GARY: Speaking of Halloween lets have a gangbang
SON: Remember earlier when Mike and me went to your house and you invited us in, your the coolest, your Sega Megadrive is awesome.
BLIND MOTHER: Wait a minute, you have a house?
(BLIND MOTHER IS STRUCK BY LIGHTNING)
BLIND MOTHER: I can see again (Looks up and Michael Jackson is doing his zombie thang from Thriller with Gary Glitter as a zombie too.)
Son, lets get out of here
(MOTHER turns round and sees her son is a zombie)
MICHAEL: THRILLERRRRRRRRR
GARY: This is giving me a thrill, I have goosebumps!
(MOTHER grabs SON, drives away)
MICHAEL: Wait I wanna reinact a scene from Brokeback Mountain

MOTHER: I'm sorry John
PARENT: Your sorry? Well thats too bad I've moved on
SON: NOOOO what was wrong with my friends
MOTHER: You see Son, they wanted your pen!s
SON: My pen!s? What aren't you telling me? If I give them my pen!s will it save their lives, and get you and Dad back together again
PARENT:.............We have raised one sick- minded son.

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Posted 01 November 2006 - 04:00 AM

QUOTE(ACEfanatic02 @ Oct 31 2006, 09:00 PM) View Post

EXACTLY.

And Saliva:

If our culture accepted sex, there would be fewer instances of rape. End of story.

Basic neural biology. The central core of our brains is ancient, dating back to our reptilian ancestors. It has two functions: sex, and aggression. When sex is repressed, the aggression comes to the fore. This is logical from an evolutionary standpoint.

Now, I'm not saying that vicious sex offenders should be let out on the street to do what they will. But that won't be happening anyway. I'm saying that instead of wasting time treating the symptoms, the government ought to get off their asses, drop their religious convictions for once, and treat the PROBLEM here.

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A 30 year old man taking a 6 year old girl from her bath and violating her body is wrong, no matter how much society does or doesn't accept sex. end of story.

So what's your idea for society accepting sex then, no age of consent, anyone can do any sexual activity with anyone else? That'd have no effect on paedophiles, they'd still get their kicks from violating childrens bodies and ruining their whole lives, it'd just be legal in your world.

What a load of bollocks.


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Posted 01 November 2006 - 04:45 AM

QUOTE(Saliva @ Oct 31 2006, 09:00 PM) View Post

A 30 year old man taking a 6 year old girl from her bath and violating her body is wrong, no matter how much society does or doesn't accept sex. end of story.

So what's your idea for society accepting sex then, no age of consent, anyone can do any sexual activity with anyone else? That'd have no effect on paedophiles, they'd still get their kicks from violating childrens bodies and ruining their whole lives, it'd just be legal in your world.

What a load of bollocks.

No. You don't understand.

Think of the mind as a pressure cooker, with all our disparate views, ideas, and mores combined in a single pot. Without a release valve for sex - either through open-mindedness about pornography or the act itself, it is pressed down to where it mixes with our other taboos. Like the blending of flavors in the steam. And eventually that pot is going to burst, as more and more pours into it.

Rape and paedophilia are wrong, you'll get no arguement from me about that. But they are a byproduct of sexual repression. Is it natural for someone to want to have sex with pre-pubesents? No, it's not. It makes no sense from an evolutionary standpoint, as the kids in question cannot reproduce. So it is not a natural problem (maybe in limited instances it is, but when you consider the abnormal percentage of the population involved, it can't just be a random genetic mutation. Therefore, we'll assume it's not a natural desire.) It is a result of distorted sexual views.

Perhaps things are different on your side of the sea. But here in America, we are indoctrined from birth with the idea that sex is 'wrong' and 'bad' and 'dirty.' No one really teaches us anything about sex until a few years AFTER puberty, and even then it's clinical and biased towards repression. (The whole 'abstinance is the only way' !@#$%^&*.) Can't you see where there might be some distortion in our views?

I return to the R-brain - the central core of our emotional response and impulses. This, unfortunately, is what controls us. It has the shortest access to our spinal column and executive discretion above our more logical centers. Now, as I said earlier, it is divided between sex and aggression - the two bases of all emotion. What do you think happens when sex is reppressed? Aggression comes forward to compensate. Moreover, it's sexual aggression!

Why? Well, take a quick glance at our animal cousins and you'll quickly realise the issue. When you don't get sex, you're damn well going to fight to get it anyway. Enter rape.

Ah, and don't think I've forgotten about paedophillia. Lolita (which is essentially the same thing but easier to write) can be divided into two types, one of which is morally and evolutionarally wrong, and one which is simply legally wrong:
- Prepubescence
- Postpubescence

Prepubescent lolita is simply rape against a victim who cannot defend themselves. (The same applies to other, less publicised sex crimes - i.e. necrophillia.)

Postpubescent lolita, on the other hand, I have difficulty finding any real, logical reason to object to. (Obviously, rape is still wrong in any context.) Can a 30 year old man hook up with a 15 year old girl? Or, can a 30 year old woman sleep with a 15 year old boy? Honestly, if it's consentual, I don't give a damn.

And you know what? I'd guarenttee that if you looked at the statistics, the former would be a lot rarer than the latter.

So, I think you can see that there is a logical connection between our image of sex and the reality. We create sex crimes through our oppression of sex. That is all.

I have to second Lee here - make the AOC about 14 or 15. Once you start wanting sex, you're capable of dealing with it.

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Posted 01 November 2006 - 05:03 AM

Sorry mate, at 2am my ability to read seems to fade somewhat, but i do now almost see where you're coming from. It's clear it's actually rather different on either side of that rather large pond, an AOC across the nation of 16, sex education in schools properly around the age of 11 and 12, with, i believe the subject now being broached to some extent on lower schools to childern of 7 or 8 years old, there is no real abstinence is the only way kinda thing either, but there is a problem with teenage pregnancies in many areas where some children aged 11 and 12 are having sex and falling pregnant and subsequently having children, when really they're not ready to be a parent. and In my opinion, over here anyway, an AOC of 16 is about right.


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Posted 01 November 2006 - 05:22 AM

Yes, I figured that we were probably coming from very different viewpoints.

For the record - I know that someone 11 or 12 is not ready for being a parent. (Sounds like a lack of available contraception to me.) But the whole 'not emotionally prepared' stuff is crap.

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Posted 01 November 2006 - 02:09 PM

I shall move this to debate eh?[p;

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Posted 02 November 2006 - 12:11 AM

QUOTE(ACEfanatic02 @ Oct 31 2006, 06:45 PM) View Post
Ah, and don't think I've forgotten about paedophillia. Lolita (which is essentially the same thing but easier to write) can be divided into two types, one of which is morally and evolutionarally wrong, and one which is simply legally wrong:
- Prepubescence
- Postpubescence

Prepubescent lolita is simply rape against a victim who cannot defend themselves. (The same applies to other, less publicised sex crimes - i.e. necrophillia.)

Postpubescent lolita, on the other hand, I have difficulty finding any real, logical reason to object to. (Obviously, rape is still wrong in any context.) Can a 30 year old man hook up with a 15 year old girl? Or, can a 30 year old woman sleep with a 15 year old boy? Honestly, if it's consentual, I don't give a damn.

And you know what? I'd guarenttee that if you looked at the statistics, the former would be a lot rarer than the latter.

So, I think you can see that there is a logical connection between our image of sex and the reality. We create sex crimes through our oppression of sex. That is all.

I have to second Lee here - make the AOC about 14 or 15. Once you start wanting sex, you're capable of dealing with it.

-ACE


Actually, I believe Lolita is just another way of saying "Jailbait". (ie. an underaged girl that's sexually provacative)

Yep, I pretty much agree with this completly, once we are old enough to desire sex, that's when it's fine to have it with a partner of you're choosing.

On the parents subject, yes, in today's sociaty it's impossible for a early teen to riase a child, but our desires were not based around today's sociaty. Back when our race was young, people didn't live much longer than 20 or 30 on average, so 13 would be about 1/3 of you're life. and AOC doesn't prevent a 14 and a 14 year old from having a child.

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Posted 20 November 2006 - 08:37 PM

QUOTE(RubberDuck32 @ Oct 31 2006, 02:41 AM) View Post

I have a better idea, if you molest a child you get a bullet to the head. Saves the world a lot of trouble keeping track of you in the future.


No, that isn't true justice because a life wasn't taken. I suggest severely injuring or complete mutilation of the reproductive organ.



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Posted 20 November 2006 - 09:42 PM

I'm just going to add my two cents to the discussion of Lee and Ace....

I may have been reading this wrong, or maybe just translated it wrong in my mind...

Where you said this,
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Perhaps things are different on your side of the sea. But here in America, we are indoctrined from birth with the idea that sex is 'wrong' and 'bad' and 'dirty.' No one really teaches us anything about sex until a few years AFTER puberty, and even then it's clinical and biased towards repression. (The whole 'abstinance is the only way' !@#$%^&*.) Can't you see where there might be some distortion in our views?

I return to the R-brain - the central core of our emotional response and impulses. This, unfortunately, is what controls us. It has the shortest access to our spinal column and executive discretion above our more logical centers. Now, as I said earlier, it is divided between sex and aggression - the two bases of all emotion. What do you think happens when sex is reppressed? Aggression comes forward to compensate. Moreover, it's sexual aggression!

Why? Well, take a quick glance at our animal cousins and you'll quickly realise the issue. When you don't get sex, you're damn well going to fight to get it anyway. Enter rape.


I was raised that way, and apparently, I must be a minorty with your definition, since I'm not going around raping women whenever I want. In my eyes, Sex isn't just "f***ing the woman", It is "Making love to the woman". I don't see sex as JUST pleasure, I see it as a way to show my love for that woman too. On a side note of that, it may be possible that I am Catholic? Would that be why I'm tought this and don't go around raping women?

(Like I said, I may have been miss translating that part)

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Posted 20 November 2006 - 11:38 PM

QUOTE(Neiko @ Nov 20 2006, 02:42 PM) View Post

I'm just going to add my two cents to the discussion of Lee and Ace....

I may have been reading this wrong, or maybe just translated it wrong in my mind...

Where you said this,
I was raised that way, and apparently, I must be a minorty with your definition, since I'm not going around raping women whenever I want. In my eyes, Sex isn't just "f***ing the woman", It is "Making love to the woman". I don't see sex as JUST pleasure, I see it as a way to show my love for that woman too. On a side note of that, it may be possible that I am Catholic? Would that be why I'm tought this and don't go around raping women?

(Like I said, I may have been miss translating that part)

Yes, you did misinterpet.

The vast majority of people only have their views on sex distorted to varying degrees. (I have, and you probably have too. Nothing personal - it's an issue of society.)

However, those who are already predisposed to be sex offenders (for whatever reason) have their views shifted most dramaticly, leading to them acting on it.

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Posted 20 November 2006 - 11:46 PM

QUOTE(ACEfanatic02 @ Nov 20 2006, 03:38 PM) View Post
Yes, you did misinterpet.

Knew it =p
QUOTE(ACEfanatic02 @ Nov 20 2006, 03:38 PM) View Post
The vast majority of people only have their views on sex distorted to varying degrees. (I have, and you probably have too. Nothing personal - it's an issue of society.)

Yes, but into which direction is it distorted?
QUOTE(ACEfanatic02 @ Nov 20 2006, 03:38 PM) View Post
However, those who are already predisposed to be sex offenders (for whatever reason) have their views shifted most dramaticly, leading to them acting on it.

So, it's their parents fault that they like small kids? (unless I am again, misinterpeting) (Which I am willing to believe this, but thier parents can't be the only reason...)

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Posted 21 November 2006 - 12:30 AM

QUOTE(Neiko @ Nov 20 2006, 04:46 PM) View Post

So, it's their parents fault that they like small kids? (unless I am again, misinterpeting) (Which I am willing to believe this, but thier parents can't be the only reason...)

Could be anything. Genetic makeup, mistakes in the biochemical cocktail. Bad experiences, whatever.

Tracing it back to any one cause would be oversimplifing.

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Posted 24 November 2006 - 09:41 PM

i beleive that i read an article in the news paper about child molesters. I cant remember all the details, but i guess peodophiles (not sure if the article was refering to all or just some peodophiles) are attracted to children because while they were in there mothers womb, the mother amune system attacked the baby in a way that messed up the development of the babies brain causing unnatrual attraction towards children when they go through puberty. The article went on to say that people who have brain cancer sometimes become attracted to children during the duration of their cancer, and once there cancer is gone there attraction to children disspears too.

Now wither this is the case for all child molesters, i dunno.


Now as for sex crimes being a result of people not haveing sex and becomming agrivated, im unsure. 75% of people, have sex befour the age of 18. And 90% have sex while in there 20's. Is it that 10% of the population thats not haveing sex that is causeing all the sex crimes? I dont know. Perhaps its a combination of factors that produce sex offenders.

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Posted 02 December 2006 - 01:03 AM

QUOTE(ACEfanatic02 @ Nov 20 2006, 10:30 PM) View Post

Could be anything. Genetic makeup, mistakes in the biochemical cocktail. Bad experiences, whatever.

Tracing it back to any one cause would be oversimplifing.

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Wow, now I know what makes a pervert, I feel so fulfilled dry.gif




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