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Aging? Can It Be Stopped? Can it be stopped?

#1 User is offline   Sephiroth Icon

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Posted 22 July 2005 - 08:52 AM

Someone in a topic.."How will it end" Asked a question that caught my eye.
"Is something a substance that can prolong life?"

Well Let me take some people back to biology a class that I failed about 15 million times.

How does aging work?

Everyone has mitochondria in there cells they are power houses that give obviously power to our cells. Cells that are concentrate mostly on what detiriorates when we age.The brain, the heart, the muscles, the eyes

Mitochondrial generates damaging molecules called free radicals, and that mutations accumulates in mitochondrial genes, some of them caused by free-radical assault.

I remember reading about something in bio as were scientists shortend the life of mice by injecting small genentic defect into mice mitochondria.

Mutations also play a part in aging, if anyone has ever studied dna then you would know that most dna is pretty much repeated through out the ladder. This is called a mutation. If something is bad about the ladder line up and it is mutated this can cause a disease.

Mitochondria is found in every type of cell besides red blood cells. That are from bacteria that invaded other cells billions of years of ago. Red blood cells also have there own code.. They can create fats sugar and oxygen into energy for the body. As a byproduct they create free radicals that can harm mitochondria. Free radicals are destrutive oxygen molecules. That can also damage other cells in the body.

If mitochondria ever get mutated into something that shortens the lifespan of them, The human race will forever be lost due to the fac that mitochondria fuels brain and heart, or signals from mitochondria that spur suicide.

Mitochondria are not the only reason why aging happens. Let me explain chromosmes. Everyone has them (46 I do belieave half from mother and father) As you age these things always reproduce and as they do they get chipped everytime they do. This is also a sign of reproduction if you cant reproduce new chromose which hold dna blue prints and so fourth you cannot live.

Chromose are made up of something called deoxyribonucleic acid which is dna.
The dna is winded up and coiled to form a chromosome. So this is a vital thing for reproducing and duplication.

I do belieave that would do it so the question one more time

"Is something a substance that can prolong life?"

Maybe not a substance but maybe something that can take care of our chromosomes and mitchondria a little more to prolong reproduction.
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Posted 22 July 2005 - 07:16 PM

Wow, someone does their homework. Well, I'm sure in about, maybe 40 years something will happen. Afterall, in the 40's top age was like, 70. And now, we can live up to a 123 (Oldest Women)!
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Posted 22 July 2005 - 08:37 PM

From what you wrote, if you could somehow repair a massive amounts of the slowly faltering genes caused by the mutations occuring while you age, you could theoretically extend life a bit. I don't see that happeneing in the near future though.
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Posted 22 July 2005 - 09:06 PM

I've always wondered about this as well and I've come to the conclusion that the best way to make this possible is to attempt to create an antibody that target's freeradicals. Of course it wouldn't be fool-proof but it would undoubtably let us live for thousands of years.

Then again let's not forget that death is an essential part of a civilization. if we all lived for that long and still reporoduced at the same rate (or even anywhere close to the same rate) we would all die of overpopulation and the world would run out of recources, it would also make less people be born over time and less chance of truely great and important people coming to exist.
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Posted 22 July 2005 - 09:50 PM

Wow, you're right. That's why we only keep like, 5,000 people. The rest can let Nature run it's course.
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Posted 23 July 2005 - 04:40 PM

I think that the more and more science is developed the more people are out to stop the natural way of him functions.

We are supposed to die, like animals we need to die to make way for other humans. If we stopped dying we would just keep getting bigger and bigger and bigger and then we would ultimately run out of room all together and the resources would go out the window and we would probably start dropping down to extremes to get food and water and such. I think messing with that stuff can ultimately lead to a worse result.
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Posted 23 July 2005 - 06:13 PM

lol wow jr im surprized considering you failed that class like 2 rimes now lol

but nicly done..


o yea this is paranormal phenominons. it shoulnt have science in it lol

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Posted 23 July 2005 - 08:50 PM

QUOTE(Lord of Nukes @ Jul 22 2005, 08:37 PM)
From what you wrote, if you could somehow repair a massive amounts of the slowly faltering genes caused by the mutations occuring while you age, you could theoretically extend life a bit.  I don't see that happeneing in the near future though.
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"I've always wondered about this as well and I've come to the conclusion that the best way to make this possible is to attempt to create an antibody that target's freeradicals. Of course it wouldn't be fool-proof but it would undoubtably let us live for thousands of years.

Then again let's not forget that death is an essential part of a civilization. if we all lived for that long and still reporoduced at the same rate (or even anywhere close to the same rate) we would all die of overpopulation and the world would run out of recources, it would also make less people be born over time and less chance of truely great and important people coming to exist. "

First I want to say thanks gary for the nicely done comment yea I failed this class 1 time lol oh well and I dont do homework mysteria. This should be science think we could get a science forum? anywho lets check out what people wrote.

Well nuke its not all about genes I stated Mitochondria which is the power house of your cells. Think of it as fuel for a car no fuel no motions. Unless its a car that runs off of only elec XD

Umm metroid stated that maybe we could create a antibody. Well this would essentially easy.

A gene that is injected directly into a cell does not usually function instead a carrier (Host) which is called a vector is genectically engirneed to delieaver the gene. So lets look at metroids observation.

Create a gene that stops freeradicals.
First we have to find that gene that does this function lets pretend that we already have it.

Lets pick out a type of virus. (Virus are used as vectors because they can deliver the gene by infecting the cell.) here are types of virus lets pick one

Retroviruses - integrate their genetic material (including the new gene) into a chromosome in the human cell.

Adenoviruses, introduce their DNA into the nucleus of the cell, but the DNA is not integrated into a chromosome.

What we want is Retrovirus becauase we want to stop free radicals in red blood cells.

We inject the vector with the new gene and insert it into the body just like a vaccine..

Thats it your all done. You have prolonged life! But there are many other things that kill us... Like buses..
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Posted 23 July 2005 - 08:56 PM

no no no and no.I mean if u had some kind of power of a god or something to stop time maybe then it would stop but seeing as that can't happen no It cant be stopped.
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Posted 23 July 2005 - 09:01 PM

QUOTE(evanfan1117 @ Jul 23 2005, 04:40 PM)
I think that the more and more science is developed the more people are out to stop the natural way of him functions.

We are supposed to die, like animals we need to die to make way for other humans.  If we stopped dying we would just keep getting bigger and bigger and bigger and then we would ultimately run out of room all together and the resources would go out the window and we would probably start dropping down to extremes to get food and water and such.  I think messing with that stuff can ultimately lead to a worse result.
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Sorry for the double post I Dont know how to double reply to someone...

Well I want to say it was darwins theory that the purpose of life is to reproduce...
So if we are continousely dying off and not reproducing then what is the point. If we can live longer and reproduce then we wont die off...

Resources are not abundent I dont care what anyone says I totally agree with this.
But if we have the abillity to genetically engineer someones genes dont you think that we have the abillity to reproduce resources at a rate that can keep a google number of people alive?

I dont think that we are going to get bigger and bigger and run out of water. We could simple copy all resources and reproduce them like I said.

"I think messing with that stuff can ultimately lead to a worse result."

This is your opinion im not agreeing with it.. But let me ask you a question.

If Edward jenner didnt infect his son with cowpox and create the firs vaccine how many diseases do you think you would have right now? Let me ask this question do you think you would be alive?

Shadow if your going to post in here dont spam. Argue your thought dont write 3 words please.
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Posted 23 July 2005 - 10:42 PM

As someone said, if we created a "cure" for aging, we'd die because of overpopulation.

So... I'm against the idea itself. I do believe it's possible though.
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Posted 23 July 2005 - 11:43 PM

Im sorry but I keep hearing this overpopulation theory, well there are many soloutions.

1. put licenses out for people to apply to have children. Essentially everytime an imortal person died because of accidental causes (something that can never be stopped, because we can never be invincible only immortal), then one licence to have 1 child would be made. also if livable conditons appear on a new planet, then many many licences would be made.
2. Continued geonocide. We could continually have children, and whoever is contributing to society the least gets killed. This way as people keep getting born the human race keeps getting stronger.

in solution 1, abortions would be an encouraged part of everyday life, and if illigal children are born they will be killed, and if someone keeps having illegal children they might have to be killed as well.
Anyways I think solution 2 is the best because we continue to evolve as a race.
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Posted 24 July 2005 - 12:23 AM

QUOTE(Sephiroth @ Jul 23 2005, 03:01 PM)
Sorry for the double post I Dont know how to double reply to someone...

Well I want to say it was darwins theory that the purpose of life is to reproduce...
So if we are continousely dying off and not reproducing then what is the point. If we can live longer and reproduce then we wont die off...

Resources are not abundent I dont care what anyone says I totally agree with this.
But if we have the abillity to genetically engineer someones genes dont you think that we have the abillity to reproduce resources at a rate that can keep a google number of people alive?

I dont think that we are going to get bigger and bigger and run out of water. We could simple copy all resources and reproduce them like I said.

"I think messing with that stuff can ultimately lead to a worse result."

This is your opinion im not agreeing with it.. But let me ask you a question.

If Edward jenner didnt infect his son with cowpox and create the firs vaccine how many diseases do you think you would have right now? Let me ask this question do you think you would be alive?

Shadow if your going to post in here dont spam. Argue your thought dont write 3 words please.
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Infexting and mutating are completely different things.

Eventually if we reproduce so many times we will most certaintly run out of space for everyone..we only have so much space in the world.

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Posted 24 July 2005 - 12:46 AM

it would be awsome to live forever i'd wait till i'm 21 then stop aging so i can buy beer. it would be frigging sweet.
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Posted 24 July 2005 - 03:35 AM

QUOTE(evanfan1117 @ Jul 23 2005, 03:23 PM)

Eventually if we reproduce so many times we will most certaintly run out of space for everyone..we only have so much space in the world.
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did you not read my post?


a third way to prevent overpopulation is to award outstanding people with immortality, if in your mortal life span of 80 years contribute greatly to humanity you can recieve the great honour of imortality.
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